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Unknown A
This is like obviously such a stupid argument. What do you mean?
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Unknown B
Trump and Elon Musk Doge team have set their sights on dismantling the Department of Education. ABC's Alex Perchet is in Washington.
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Unknown C
The woman best known for her work in the world of wrestling is now facing off with senators to lead the embattled Department of education.
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Unknown D
Linda McMahon, nominated by President Trump to be the next Secretary of Education.
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Unknown A
One time in these videos, just one time, I wish that they would be like, here's a program that's getting canceled. Well, this would be the dream. Here's a program that's getting canceled in depth. This is what the program did. This is why the money shouldn't have gone there, meaning it wasn't appropriate by Congress or whatever. Therefore, this is why it's within the narrow purview of what DOJI should be doing, which is getting rid of waste, fraud and abuse. You know why it's okay. Do you think it's going to be that or do you think it's going to be incredibly broad? The Department of Education is DEI and woke and our scores aren't high enough. And so the private system and Catholic schools or whatever are going to do better and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Unknown B
And next up in the slate of executive orders is apparently the future of the Department of Education and tldr. Trump wants to abolish it. But as are many things in our political landscape right now, education is a very heated issue and a lot of people don't understand how this would work if Trump would even be able to to abolish it. They don't understand why people even want to get rid of the part of education and they're very concerned with what happens after the Department of Education has been abolished. So we're trying to break all of that down for you guys, answer some questions. But before we do, make sure that you like this video and subscribe to the new channel if you've not already. And of course ring that notification bell to make that you stay up to date on all of our uploads. And of course, if you want ad free episodes, a weekly advice video from me and an exclusive newsletter for subscribers only.
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Unknown B
Make sure to check out my subscriber platform at Cooper Confidential. We have the link right here. We will also have it in the description below, along with my exclusive launch merch. But without further ado, let's of course get back into the topic. So abolishing the Department of Education has been something that has been talked about for years at this point, but in the grand political sense, it has kind of been a fringe issue. Many conservatives and Republicans in Congress are very much against this. They support the Department of Education. And so this issue has really been propped up by libertarians like Justin Amash and limited government conservatives like my favorite Thomas Massie and Rand Paul. And Thomas Massey has actually tried to abolish the Department of Education multiple times. At this point, it feels like he is constantly reintroducing a bill to abolish it completely, and yet it never happens.
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Unknown B
And as recently as last month, he reintroduced it yet again. On January 31, he said, I just reintroduced HR899, a one sentence bill to terminate the federal Department of Education, return power back to teachers and parents. This is it, the entire bill. And the bill reads, be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress Assembled, Section 1, terminate the Department of Education. And that's it. Literally one line. It is pretty epic.
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Unknown A
But of course, that's so fricking epic, bro.
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Unknown B
I would never pass in our modern government because as we know, bills have to be like 700 pages long and chock full of ridiculous random things that our government wants to spend money on. So of course this has not passed. But with Trump's comeback, with his focus on slimming down government, with Elon Musk's influence and the influence of Doge, eliminating this incredibly bloated, incredibly corrupt government department seems more possible. Than ever. And this time around, with this rate reduction, Massie actually has three. 30, 30 Republican co sponsors for this bill. So times are obviously changing. But 30 co sponsors is still not enough. One article reads, if a bill were to move forward in the House, the GOP would still have to pull support from lawmakers outside of their 53 member Senate majority to reach the 60 vote threshold they need for the legislation to pass.
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Unknown B
So at this point, we gotta keep educating people and we gotta pray, which you can do with Hallow. Guys, I'm so excited to share that this episode.
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Unknown A
Keep educating people as we destroy the.
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Unknown B
Department of Education based even the Pray 40 waitlist today. And maybe we can all work together to pray for the state of education because Lord knows our country needs it. Even though Massey has 30 Republican co sponsors, even though Trump is talking about it, people are still against this. And it makes sense because getting rid of any education, dealing with education will always be difficult as it is a very emotional and personal issue for people involving their children. And in my opinion, this is because they often conflate the existence of the Department of Education with the existence of public education in the United States, which is just simply not the case. I think that this comes down to most people not even knowing the history of the Department of Education and the fact that it was.
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Unknown A
Oh, the history. Oh, I love it. Every time conservatives are gonna get into history, it's always them, like, okay, I don't really know what exactly. Okay, let's go to the history. There was probably some racist person, some mean person, some evil person started it, because let's be real, that kind of is history. And then we can use that to discredit the thing as it currently exists right now.
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Unknown B
Never really supposed to have the power or the budget that it does today. I mean, like most government agencies, it has obviously overstepped its bounds. I mean, most people don't even know that it is a relatively new government department. In fact, Jimmy Carter who just passed away, he was the one who created the Department of Education. He signed it into law in 1979. And somehow, just to give you an example, somehow over the last 40 odd years, their budget has ballooned from 14 billion to over 238 billion. That is insane. But what is even more insane is.
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Unknown A
That over these, like, why not address. I think that this funding was bad because. And then here are the things that now funds that it shouldn't, or it's bad because it's moved beyond its legally, like current mandate or were there were better ways to invest in it. Like, why not? Why it's always just like, number 40.
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Unknown B
Years over that insane increase in spending and in budget, There has been no improvement in American education. Just look at this graph from the Cato Institute. This is the trends in American public schooling since 1970. So the blue line right here is the total cost. The amount that we as taxpayers are spending on American education. That obviously has skyrocketed. Oh, employees have skyrocketed. We're paying more people. We see where our money is going. And then let's look at reading scores, math scores, science scores. Oh, they've stayed exactly the same. There has been no improvement in the slightest. Now, to give you guys a bit more backstory and context on this department and on this issue, there has.
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Unknown A
Okay, total cost is the honest case of. This chart is transly breaking public schooling since 1970. Total cost is the full cost of the K through 12 education of a single student graduating in the given year. Adjust for inflation. K12 education of a single student. Does this have anything to do with the Department of Education? How much isn't the vast majority of the Department of Education funds, doesn't that go to colleges and universities? What percentage of Department of Education funds go to K12? State and local governments provide the vast majority of funding for K12 education. 86% of all school funding, federal funding programs for K12. How much of the Department of Education's budget even goes to Department of Education budget spending? So for fiscal year 2024, 161 billion went towards federal student aid, and then this is a good chunk of it. But elementary and secondary education was 83 billion.
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Unknown A
But the majority of it, one might even say the vast majority of it, special ed and rehabilitative services. I wonder if this has to do with K12 as well, or if that's for colleges. But it seems like quite a bit of it, like over, what, 60% goes to secondary education. So, okay, inter.
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Unknown B
Okay, there has been no improvement in the slightest. Now, to give you guys a bit more backstory and context on this department and on this issue as a whole, I called my friend Ryan Graduski, who is the founder of the 1776 Project PAC, which is reforming school boards across the country, is trying to reform education. He is a genius on all things American education. And he broke down the history of the Department of Education like this.
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Unknown A
Oh, boy, he's a genius to reform it. Does he actually have cool ideas or is it just school vouchers and private schools?
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Unknown D
Before there was a Department of Education called the Office of Education that came out about, like, right after the Civil War in 1867. And the purpose of that was just to collect data on schools and on school, how they were performing, what books they were reading, make a document, give it to Congress. That was basically the entire thing. And then when Lyndon Johnson becomes president in the 1960s, he says, hey, we really need to revamp education. The federal government needs to get really involved. And he creates title one, which is about how to distribute money to local municipalities across the country, especially low performing, poor municipalities. And education fundamentally changes at that point once money is really involved. Jimmy Carter runs on the idea that he's going to create a Department of Education. This is a big campaign promise of the teachers unions, and it revamps education and broadens the scope of federal authority in the way that the federal government works with education.
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Unknown B
And like I said at the beginning, and many of you know this, like I said, education is near and dear to my heart. This is probably the political issue that I care about the most. I feel like I have a stake in this as a young person.
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Unknown A
Okay, I don't know how that fleshed out anything or made any arguments today.
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Unknown B
But okay, whatever person that recently came out of the education system. I feel like I tried every different form of homeschooling and public schooling. I went to community college. I went to a formal university. I basically tried everything except Catholic school at this rate. And I know that there are problems. But the one thing that really stood out to me, that I learned from Ryan when I interviewed him, was that all of the intended functions of the Department of Education already existed in our federal government prior to 1979. Prior to the department actually being created. They were just broken up into different departments based on what those departments specialties were. They were not prior to the department intended functions of the Department of Education already existed in our federal government prior to 1979, prior to the Department Act.
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Unknown A
Oh, this shock mount isn't even set up correctly because you can hear her banging on the table. What the fuck? Look what's even going on here. I'm triggered. Oh, bonus points in chat for whoever knows why you can hear the vibration. I actually know it. I know it. I know why. Wait, do I know. I know why. It's because this pop filter that she got, I bet the pop filter is leaning on the mount or the mic and it's connected to the boom arm. And so when she's hitting the dust, that's where it's coming from.
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Unknown B
That's what's going on actually being created. They were just broken up into different departments based on what those departments specialties were. They were not under one huge umbrella. And creating the Department of Education consolidated all of it and gave this department and the unions that lobbied for the creation of this department major power and control as Ryan also covered.
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Unknown A
Listen, there's nothing abnormal about this. This happens. Like, I don't know if I'd say it happens all the time, but it happens that departments sometimes get shoved around or consolidated under a single department. It's supposed to be for efficiency or improvement. Rather than having seven different departments that all do similar functions, you consolidate them under a similar department. I don't know how she feels about this one, but I'm pretty sure the Department of Homeland Security is an example of this. I believe it was a consolidation of several different things under Bush Resources Federal Register control. F Homeland security was established in 2,200 security leads the unified national effort Secure America. It was sub agencies. ICE got rolled into this Customs and Border Protection, but I think a few different departments of the coast got rolled into the Department of Homeland securities. But I mean, like yeah, this happens. This isn't a bad thing necessarily.
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Unknown D
But many of the functions of the Department of Education were happening pre the creation, but they happen within different departments. This consolidates them and brings it all under one house. And it really gives the teachers unions representation and also creates a massive budget. All the unions definitely create huge pressure. The teachers union is one of the largest unions in the country. And depending on what state you live in, they could be the largest, you know, in any given region.
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Unknown B
And guys, to this day, okay, but.
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Unknown A
These aren't arguments for anything. These are just stating facts. Okay, sure.
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Unknown B
The people who have the most control over the Department of Education, who are the major lobbyists, major motivators behind everything they do. And that would be the teachers unions, quickly followed by the guidance counselor union. And if you don't know about the power of teachers unions, maybe we'll have to do an entire episode just dedicated to that because it is truly insane. And based on the graph that we just looked at from the Cato Institute, it seems like these unions, these major lobbyists, the motivators behind the Department of Education, have cared a lot more about lining their pockets about hiring more administrators. Obviously because the staff is growing and pushing political ideologies instead of improving American education. In fact, in a recent op ed for the Hill, Representative Harriet Hegman spoke on this perfectly. She wrote that money, in other words, the, you know, $238 billion hasn't been effectively used to educate our young.
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Unknown B
It has disappeared into the maw of the Department of Education with no accountability for failure. The department's not related to education activities are also well known. Federal bureaucrats, for example, spent three years seeking to replace the word sex in federal education amendment to the Civil Rights act with sexual orient and gender identity. They have interfered with teachers ability to remove disruptive and dangerous students from their classrooms. And they have promoted a seemingly endless stream of woke policies at the expense of our cohesiveness and to undermine pride in being American. The result, they are turning out generations of children who can't read or do math and believe that America is evil.
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Unknown A
Hence why I don't think that I still. My understanding is up to this point. I don't think that federal guidelines dictate curriculum to anybody. I think that's still up to teachers. I don't think there's any federal curriculum guidelines in the United States. I think we just have test scores that we want people to achieve. That's it. Also, when it comes to education, it's kind of like immigration. When I hear somebody arguing about immigration. And they very quickly mix up immigrants, illegal immigrants and refugees. When they treat all three of these categories as the exact same, it makes me very sus that they're just full of shit. And I feel like when I hear people talk about education in the United States, I think our university college system is quite separate from our K through 12 system. Like these two things I think are quite different.
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Unknown A
You saw on the chart, like where the money goes to for the Department of Education, for instance, way more goes to the university system. So it's kind of weird when people start mixing these all up. It makes me think that they have no idea what they're talking about.
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Unknown B
But why so many lawmakers and so many conservatives like myself want to see this department dismantle? It is beyond time to silence that disruption like I do with my Silencer from Silencer Shop. And you all know that I am a big advocate for our second amendment rights and I believe in being prepared and being responsible when it comes to firearms. But let's be honest, shooting can be loud and sometimes even uncomfortable. And that's why I want to tell you about my friends over at Silencer Shop. They offer the largest selection of top brand suppressors to make your shooting experience quieter, safer and way more enjoyable. So whether you are hitting the evils are coming back quite second. So shop vacation system has not to get your suppressor upgrade your guns today, but obviously right now, this noise and this disruption to our education system has not been silenced.
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Unknown B
It is in full force and it is not positively impacting the quality of our children's education in the slightest. In fact, by taking power away from the states and parents, many argue that it has only made education worse. Not just sacnet. And so as part of his 2024 campaign, one of the ideas that Trump ran on, one of the promises that he ran on, was abolishing this department in its entirety and sending power back to the states. Just take a listen from one of his rallies.
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Unknown E
I'm going to take the Department of Education, close it in Washington, let the.
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Unknown A
States run their own education.
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Unknown E
We spend more money per pupil than any other nation in the world by far.
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Unknown A
Like the states already run their own education, right? There are no federal curriculum guidelines. So if you get rid of the Department of Education, you're just slightly underfunding the local schools, like that's all you're doing.
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Unknown E
And yet we're ranked at the bottom of every list, which is all true.
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Unknown B
Which should be incredibly embarrassing to every American. It should be a top priority for Americans to Figure out how to fix this so that we can serve our children and our students better. And yet, on the left and with many Republicans, the only SOL they seem to come up with is more money. But we are already spending an insane amount of money. And again, going back to that graph, you can see where the money goes. It goes to the unions, it goes to the administrators. It does not even go to the teachers.
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Unknown A
Wait, on which graph are we talking about? Did I miss this graph that shows where the money goes? I'm sorry, what time? Maybe I was reading Chat. Was it?
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Unknown B
It wasn't.
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Unknown A
It wasn't. This graph, was it? What? Okay, maybe I. Okay.
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Unknown B
Raph, you can see where the money goes. It goes to the unions, it goes to the administrators, it does not even go to the teachers, which we're going to talk about later. But going back to Trevor, going back to his promises, you know, promises made, promises kept. Just this week, the Wall Street Journal revealed that Trump is active.
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Unknown A
I feel like you're always in debunk mode. I think you would make stronger arguments if you try to be charitable to these bad arguments and still find a way to debunk them from there. There's no charitability. They just want to abolish, Abolish, abolish every government organization because they think it's all bad. Like, what's the suggested replacement like? It seemed like that subsect we read earlier. Like, having programs that we use to study educational outcomes and find out ways to educate people is probably an important thing to do. But I feel like you probably need some federal guidance in order to carry out that research. Who's carrying it out otherwise? Like, are we? Well, we don't. Like I was going to say nonprofits. Nope. Because apparently conservatives hate those. NGOs. Nope. Because conservatives hate those. The federal government. Nope. Conservative hates that our state and local government's going to start paying to do research in their own.
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Unknown A
Like, what is even the incentive that requires more money? Funding is bad. So we're not going to do that. Like.
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Unknown B
Actively taking steps to write an executive order that would, quote, dismantle the Department of Education. So apparently that is next in the pipeline. They wrote Trump advisors way plan to dismantle Education Department administration officials are discussing executive order that could shut down key functions of the agency. And that was published on February 3. This got people very excited. It was trending for like 24 hours on X. But the thing is, even though this executive order would be historic, it would be hugely impactful. Trump can't just abolish The Department of Education with a signature. The Department of Education was created through an act of Congress, so.
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Unknown A
Oh, my God. Hey, at least she knows a little bit that what he's trying to do is super illegal. Now, she's not going to say it illegal. She's just going to say we need Congress to do something, but it must.
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Unknown B
Be abolished by a vote in Congress. However, with an executive order, Trump can break it apart and that is what people are speculating that he'll be doing.
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Unknown A
I don't know if that's true, but.
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Unknown B
Here'S how Ryan broke it down.
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Unknown D
We want the primary education, certain things in education to still happen. We want Title 9 to be enforced. Right? We don't want biological women to compete with biological men in sports. That is partly Title ix. My guess is he's probably going to move Title I into basically give it back to the states almost immediately and have the. Have very limited federal interaction as far as distribution of state money goes. And then Title I will probably move to Department of Justice as far what is.
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Unknown A
Can somebody explain what is federal interaction where state money goes? Don't the states and the cities decide how to divvy up their own money for their education system?
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Unknown D
I imagine, or sorry, maybe Department, hhs, Department of Health and Human Services, whatever they have to preserve, Pell Grants will get moved to maybe treasury or something like that. Whatever they have to preserve will get moved to other federal departments. The Department of Education will probably be a building with no lights on.
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Unknown B
So TL. Dr. How this would work is that many of the original core functions of the department, pre Department of Education, pre Jimmy Carter era, they would still exist. Title one would be protected. It would be just moved under a different jurisdiction. Title nine, everything that we fought for, for women, for protecting women, that would be protected, it would just be moved. It would all be reallocated and shifted around to break up this power monopoly.
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Unknown A
What? So Instead of having one department of education, you want it broken up into 10 different other departments or like, sounds like the least efficient thing ever. Like, why, like, would this even be better?
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Unknown B
This department has over our education system over the states. And you just got to know, and I love this, that the teachers unions are losing their minds because remember, they were the ones who wanted this in the first place. They are the ones who benefit the most. They are the ones who have the most powerful over everything this department does. So I want you to take a listen to my good friend Randy Weingarten. Randy Weingarten, if you didn't know, is one of the people that I despise most on the face of the earth. She's the president of the country's largest and most powerful teachers union. And she recently did an interview where she was screeching about Trump's plan for the Department of Education and how this would take money away from students and instead line the pockets of billionaires.
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Unknown E
Where's the money going? Who's taking it? Are they trying to take that money that kids get for tax cuts for billionaires? What's going on? That's why we have to see what they're doing. It is illegal to take that money out of children's mouths and give it to billionaires.
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Unknown B
See, this is why this issue is so emotional, because I say things like this. We're taking money away from your kids. Your kids are going to hungry. They're lining the pockets.
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Unknown A
To be clear, though, and I hate it when Democrats virtually signal on issues like that on this. But this is exactly what you're doing. This is exactly what you're doing. Trump wants to extend his tax cuts, which overwhelmingly support the wealthy elite in the United States. And then they want to defund the Department of Education, which means less money going to school. So that is exactly what's happening. Now, you can argue that, well, maybe the billionaires will trickle that wealth down or whatever, but that is exactly what's happening.
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Unknown B
You know, like, she was so emotional because they say things like this. We're taking money away from your kids. Your kids are gonna go hungry. They're lining the pockets of Bill. None of that is happening, literally, not in the slightest. Also, I love at the beginning, she goes, where's the money going? The money wouldn't exist in the first place because we would stop taxing people, people, American citizens. The parents of these students would be able to keep more of their money. That is where it would go. It just wouldn't go to you, Randy, which I think is what you were most concerned about, because again, she looks.
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Unknown A
Like she's super wealthy and before she actually worth $500 million.
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Unknown B
None of what you just screeched about and basically burst into tears over is happening. None of it.
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Unknown A
Yes, you what's none of what is happening? The Department of Education is being threatened with for tax cuts for really wealthy people. Trump wants to extend the Tax Cuts and jobs act. Those two things aren't happening or might make less money.
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Unknown B
Your $500,000 a year salary might decrease. You might have less power, but children will still be able to go to public school. Children will still have access to School lunches, if that is what you're concerned about. Teachers will still be paid as their salaries are set by the state. They're not even set by the federal Department of Education. I just want to be on record saying that I am in favor of anything that decreases the political power of these teachers unions. That decreases.
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Unknown A
Damn, we hate T shirts. Well, if the salaries are set by the states and the local things, what do we. I don't even know what the argument is. 1824, Randy Weingarten. She's the president of the American Federation of Teachers. Oh, she's the head of the teachers union. Damn member of the AFL CIO that.
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Unknown E
Kids get for tax cuts for billionaires. What's going on? That's why we have to see what they're doing.
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Unknown B
It is school lunches, if that is what you're concerned about. Teachers will still be paid as their salaries are set by the state. They're not even set by the federal Department of Education. I just want to be on record saying that I am in favor of anything that decreases the political power of these teachers unions. That decreases the power of people like Randy Weingarten who use her position to further her own political ideologies and to make more money for herself. So, yes, Randy, that is a long way of saying that money will be allocated differently. That will change, but it will be sent to the states.
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Unknown D
So I don't think you're gonna see a massive slashing as far as spending goes. It's really who does the spending and where. So I don't think you're gonna see most of it go away. There will be a somewhat of a fingerprint still from the federal government on education, and then the rest will be deciphered by the states and local government.
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Unknown B
Which, interestingly, you seem to support, Randy.
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Unknown E
States and localities run education. They basically. That's where 90% of the funding for education goes. They already want it. They should run it. The federal government should not run it.
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Unknown B
Oh, I'm so glad we can all agree, Randy, that the state should run education. That the federal government.
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Unknown A
She just said that they already do.
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Unknown B
Though, with your $238 billion budget, should not be running the American educational system.
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Unknown A
So why do you keep. Why doesn't she distinguish between colleges and universities and K through 12? Like, these are two different. These are two, like, different educational systems in terms of how we treat them.
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Unknown B
Maybe that faux emotional outrage we just saw is really not about the students, but it's about you and your pals losing political power. So hopefully Guys, those insights from Ryan, that brief history about the Department of Education, Trump's plans, how that would actually work, hopefully that clears.
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Unknown A
Wait, actually, I don't know the answer to this. In the United States of America, our teachers unions, are those just K through 12 teachers? Are those university teachers as well? Are they part of the teachers unions? Teacher union, United States. The American Federation of Teachers is the second largest teachers labor union in America, the largest being the National Education association. The dedicated faculty, staff and graduate workers of our nation's colleges. Universities help students pursue their passions, helping them advocate for safe working conditions. Okay, where are my college professors at? Are the majority of college teachers also part of the teachers unions? Barely thought about it before. I'm just curious.
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Unknown B
This up for you explains why this is happening and what you can expect. So, yes, things hopefully are going to change, but hopefully if this works the.
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Unknown A
Way that we want, what do Republicans even want the federal government to do? It sounds like they want everything to be states rights and federal government to exist just to remove rights, minorities, like lgbtq, et cetera.
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Unknown D
I don't know.
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Unknown A
What? I have no idea, bro. They just wanted to enforce. They don't. First of all, please, please, please don't ever say that on my chat again. Republicans do not give a about states rights. Okay? That is not true. States rights is a dog whistle for. I want to get rid of, like some federal protection. Always. States rights never has anything to do with states rights. Because as soon as you talk about, like, like a state's right to ban firearms or something, well, now, whoa. The Constitution, the federal government, this is so important, blah, blah, blah. Conservatives don't give a fuck about states rights. They just care about. They'll say states rights. So they're trying to get rid of some federal protection or federal thing, but otherwise they want all their power. They want to be able to make it so that if you're in Texas and you order an abortion pill from Louisiana, that they can extradite the doctor and charge him with a crime.
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Unknown C
And a Texas judge fined a New York Dr. $100,000 for sending abortion medications to a woman in Texas, where most abortions are banned. The same doctor faces criminal charges in a similar case in Louisiana, pitting the governors of Louisiana and New York against each other. Jericho Duncan talked with a prosecutor in that case. We were prosecuting the doctor because she violated Louisiana laws for aiding and abetting and committing abortion. Bottom line is, come answer the warrant.
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Unknown F
Tony Clayton is the district attorney in Louisiana who filed the criminal charges against New York doctor Margaret Carpenter.
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Unknown C
If the abortion crime were a tailor made suit, it would custom fit the actions of Dr. Carpenter.
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Unknown F
How much time is she facing? What's the penalty?
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Unknown C
That's up to a judge. So it ranges from five to 15. It depends on what?
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Unknown F
Five to 15 years behind bars.
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Unknown C
Yes.
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Unknown F
The doctor sent pregnancy ending medication to the mother of a 17 year old in Louisiana. The drugs mifepristone and misoprostol are illegal in the state with few exceptions. Clayton alleges the mother forced her pregnant daughter to take the medication. He now wants the doctor to face a jury.
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Unknown C
If you're innocent, Dr. Coffner, then these 12 people down here would tell you you're innocent. If you're guilty.
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Unknown A
This is my only one for today, so you have to give it to me. Hold on. You. Actually I think, I think this might be my best work yet. Butchie from the wire. Actually. Yes. 58% yes. Holy. We take those.
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Unknown C
See, they're going to tell you you're guilty. What's wrong with coming? Face the music.
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Unknown F
New York Governor Kathy Hochul refuses to extradite Carpenter who co founded a group that has advocated making abortion medication available.
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Unknown A
Just curious, is there anything that's like comparable to this where if you so like it's illegal in Nebraska to to buy cool fireworks? I think my recollection is that everybody would drive to Missouri to buy the cool shit and then you'd come back to Nebraska. If you shipped something from Missouri to Nebraska, if you shipped those fireworks, could Nebraska try to arrest somebody from Missouri? Is that possible.
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Unknown F
By mail? Even to states where it's restricted or banned?
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Unknown E
I will make sure that everyone in the state knows keep your hands off.
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Unknown A
This doctor, the gu, this DA and people that support this shit are actually sick. I'm so Blackpool about the future lately. It's depressing and hard even want to participate in politics anymore.
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Unknown F
Based Governor of Louisiana, the Attorney General, the prosecutor we spoke to all say you are not respecting law in Louisiana. What do you say to that?
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Unknown E
I say I'm respecting the laws of New York. Am I supposed to make those subservient to laws in another state?
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Unknown F
Governor Hochul signed legislation earlier this month expanding a New York law that protects doctors who provide medication, abortion care outside of New York.
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Unknown E
The Supreme Court may have to get involved in resolving a dispute between two states. Interpretation.
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Unknown F
Do you expect this case to go to the Supreme Court?
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Unknown E
I expect that I will stand firm to protect this doctor. So she's staying right here.
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Unknown A
Angelika Duncan joins us now. Jericho, what happens if this doctor travels outside of New York and then gets pulled over or something.
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Unknown F
That's the thing here. Governor Hochul said that she cannot protect Dr. Carpenter if she leaves the state. So this is a situation where the governor says, as long as she's here, she has my support, but if she steps outside, she very well could find herself.
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Unknown A
Is one state allowed to extradite somebody for another state? Like if. Let's say somebody's from New York and. Yeah, you actually. You must be able to. Right? Like, if you. If you murdered somebody in Texas and then you went to Washington, Washington could. Absolutely. Would. Would, I imagine, would absolutely extradite you to Texas. Right. Of course they would. Damn. We could end up with some weird fucking web where there's like a whole bunch of red states. Like, if you're traveling, don't travel to these states because there's probably like 20 arrest warrants for you in a situation.
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Unknown F
Where she has to go answer those charges in Louisiana.
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Unknown C
So then where's the case called part.
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Unknown A
Of the full faith and credit clause here?
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Unknown F
So because this is unchartered territory and we're talking about a case with these two contradictory laws, it could go before the Supreme Court, as you heard in the report, Governor Hochul saying she's willing to take on that fight. Also Clayton, the prosecutor there in Louisiana, saying the same thing. But this is what some people did expect with the overturning of Roe v. Wade, when you have so many states operating under different laws in different jurisdictions.
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Unknown A
Jericho Duncan, thank you. Let's get back to our.
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Unknown B
So hopefully, guys, those insights from Ryan, that brief history about the Department of Education at Trump's plans, how that would actually work, hopefully that clears this up for you, explains why this is happening and what you can expect. So, yes, things hopefully are going to change, but hopefully, if this works the way that we want, fingers crossed. This means that students will be getting a better education. This means that parents and states and school boards, the people who actually understand their local students and understand what they need, will be given power again.
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Unknown A
And hopefully this means will be given power again. But you literally just said and agreed with her that states already have all the power. So what do you. I don't understand.
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Unknown B
You seem to support. Randy.
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Unknown E
States and localities run education. They Basically, that's where 90% of the funding for education goes. They already want it. They should run it. The federal government should not run it.
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Unknown B
Will be getting a better education. This means that parents and states and school boards, the people who actually understand their local students and understand what they need, will be given power again. And hopefully this means our education system will stop being run into the ground by a small sect of self serving bureaucrats.
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Unknown A
But that doesn't happen because that small sect of self serving bureaucrats have literally no say over state and local curriculum. So.
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Unknown B
So in my opinion this is something that everyone, regardless of whether you are on the left or the right, should be excited about. And if you are worried about this department being abolished in its entirety and that causing something we've not planned for, according to Ryan, Republicans don't even have the votes to do that as it stands now to abolish the department. So maybe it's something we don't even need to worry about.
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Unknown D
Congress has to vote for it. Basically he needs the 60 senators and there's 53 Republicans and I don't think most of the Republic, not most, but there's a lot of Republicans who not support abolishing form of education. So formal closing of DAM is probably not going to happen. But reducing its size and scope of what it does will probably, you know, happen.
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Unknown B
So again, support for your students is not going away. Protections over students are not going away. Aid for school lunches is not going away. The Pell Grants aren't going away. They will hopefully just be run by people who are actually involved in those specific issues. Hopefully the person that is now overseeing.
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Unknown A
School lunches will be who would be more involved with Pell Grants than the Department of Education.
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Unknown B
What way? They will hopefully just be run by people who are actually involved in those specific issues. Hopefully the person that is now overseeing school lunches will be RFK junior And hopefully this reallocation means that students education will not just be increasing, but also their health will be increasing. I also, okay, this could help spark fresh involvement from parents and students on the local level. Because I want you guys to know that you actually have way more power than you think. Like we really honestly do not have to wait for any of this to happen on the federal level. We do not need to wait for this executive order or for any of this to take effect to make a change. And the school system in Miami Dade county in Florida is a testament to this.
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Unknown D
Just listen, in some districts, like in Miami Dade, which is a conservative majority school board, you're seeing dynamic changes. You're seeing Singapore Math in the classrooms. You're seeing classical reading levels now. Reading going to K through 3 should be K through 5. They're trying things. And when school boards are actually dynamic and have the ability to really make forms, you're able to see big Improvements in education.
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Unknown B
I mean, all that.
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Unknown A
Then it sounds like literally anybody can already do this no matter what. So what does anything you're saying matter? Like I'm like, so if states already have all the power to do this, right now you're just talking about giving them slightly less money. If Miami is already able to experiment with this and all the states can already do this, what the fuck are you even advocating for? Like, this is like, this video is so brainless. It's like I'm. What do you. What was that? What do you call it when people speak like crazy people where they like pivot at the last word and they just tie it to something else? Like, Kanye west speaks like this sometimes. Like this feels like a Markov chaining together of conservative ideas about Department of Education with no respect for what came three sentences earlier. Like, this video is so unbelievably incoherent things.
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Unknown D
And when school boards are actually dynamic and have the ability to really make a form, you're able to see big improvements in education.
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Unknown B
I mean, all of that is incredible. They are getting a classical education in elementary school thanks to what the school board is doing and what they are willing to try and implement. Another great example that Ryan talked about were the states of Mississippi and Louisiana who had the best student rebound in the country in the entire nation post Covid because of the steps that the local school boards and local legislators took.
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Unknown A
In fact, hold on. The best Los Angeles students showed more improvement than any other state after Pandemic Dog. That's because they're like 49th in education. Yeah, when you're literally ranked last. Of course, if you. I could train, you could put the, like, get Usain Bolt and 10 Olympic coaches with him and then give me one fat dude and I could have that fat dude improve a million times more than Usain Bolt just because he's got so much more room to improve. This is like obviously such a stupid argument. What do you mean? Mississippi and Louisiana, these are like the bottom ranked schools for education. No shit.
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Unknown B
Student rebound in the country? In the entire nation postco. Because of the steps of the local school boards.
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Unknown A
I'm just curious what this article says. LA students showed more improvement than any other state. Louisiana also ranked number four in average relative scores. What does that mean? States demographically adjusted performance on the 2022 nations report card. What does that mean? Oh, no. Two years ago, the US government released the first look at student achievement in the wake of the COVID 19 pandemic. The results are well summarized by the Washington post headline scores fall coast to coast, especially in math under pandemics toll. The declines were the largest ever reported and scores fell nearly every state. Also, I like how we only know this because of federal research on education and studies that are funded by the government, right? What did they say? This was from a nonprofit research organization, so we're not gonna have this data anymore, I guess. Oh my God. It's literally. This is literally referencing the Urban Institute, a nonprofit research organization, published its report on the 2022 National Assessment of Educational Progress, also known as the Nation's Report Card.
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Unknown A
The only reason why she can even cite this data here is because of research related to the National Assessment of Educational Progress, which we just read in the substack is a thing that's being targeted by like IES includes various subunits, including the national center for Education Statistics, which is the main source for a ton of incredibly valuable resources to track national progress, including the Common Core of Data and the National Assessment of Educational Progress. The top ranking states across the four tests, adjusted for demographics are Massachusetts, Mississippi, Florida, Louisiana and Texas. These states largely ranked well before the pandemic, but the analysis identifies several states where relative performance has substantially changed since 2019. I use student level data available under a restricted use license from the national center for Education Statistics to calculate demographically adjusted NAEP scores for each of the four tests in 2019 and 2022.
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Unknown A
For each test in each year, I measure the relationship nationwide between test scores and student demographics, including gender, gender, age, race or ethnicity, receipt of free and reduced price lunch, special education status and English language learner status. Interesting. So okay, racially demographically adjusted based and then this was the article for the ap. Mississippi Sees Rebound in Latest Student Test Scores oh, this is the AP article down here. Mississippi student test scores are exceeding pre pandemic levels in two subjects after a decline the previous year, according to results released Thursday by the state the state Department of Education. The state read Results from the 2021-2022 Mississippi Academic Assessment programs show a boost of test scores for English language Arts and science. The percentage of students going proficient or advanced reached what the department said is an all time high of 42.2% in English and 55.9% in science.
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Unknown A
Students scored 47.3% in mathematics, just shy of the pre pandemic rate of 47.4%. The 2021-22 assessment results provide clear and indisputable evidence of the resilience of our students and educators and their ability to recover from the disruptions to learning the Department of Education. This means the it's referring specifically to the Mississippi Department of Education, right? I don't like that these have the same fucking name sometimes by the state Department of Education. I'm assuming this still means the Mississippi the state of Mississippi Department of Education attributed the rising number of students scoring proficient and advanced to districts having more experience managing pandemic disruptions. The additional support districts received, including federal hmm COVID 19 relief funds and state investments, also helped accelerate learning. The department said districts use the additional funds to pay for extended learning days, tutorial services and intensive interventions.
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Unknown B
HMM and local legislators took in fact, in Mississippi, fourth graders had achieved the number one spot in the nation for gains on the NAEP in reading and in math, with fourth graders scoring higher than the nation's public school average in math and tying the nation in reading. In addition to that, eighth graders had outpaced the nation for growth in math and health study in reading. Nationally, scores for most NAEP subjects dropped or remained flat and in Louisiana the results were math and health scoring higher. Mississippi rebound in the country in the entire nation post Covid because of the steps that the local school boards and local legislators took.
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Unknown A
In fact is she quote is this coming from that study, the racially adjusted.
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Unknown B
One pouring Heidi and reading Nationally, getting back to most NAEP subjects dropped or remained flat and in Louisiana the results were similar and the superintendent there credits this to getting back to the basics and credits it to states rights. And he said this in a recent.
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Unknown A
Interview credits it to states rights. Okay, maybe in a different article, but.
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Unknown B
Be from just a couple days ago he said I operate from what I call the brave plan going back to basics, redesigning systems, accelerating parental rights, valuing teachers and expanding educational freedom. It's so funny how things get better and move more efficiently and faster when you remove the influence of government. He goes on and he says this department is organized to how things get six Redesigning systems, accelerating parental rights.
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Unknown A
The department is organized to accomplish those things. That's where we push out resources and it's what drives our conversations with community members, policymakers and educators. It's a conference that said reforms put in place and it's really encouraging to see movement right now. We also have a ton of alignment between our governor's office, our legislature, our state board and our agency and that united front house with implementation schools. I also think we execute really well. I've had conversations individuals in other states that have attempted similar reforms, but the execution wasn't what I needed to be we're really Intentional about both the initial launch of policies but also support afterwards. What does this have to do with abolishing the Department of Education?
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Unknown B
It's valuing teachers and expanding educational freedom. It's so funny how things get better and move more efficiently and faster when you remove the influence of government.
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Unknown A
He goes, what did that remove the influence of government? This is literally talking about a lot. What do you think the governor's office is? The legislature is, the state board is. What are these things?
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Unknown B
Educational freedom. It's so funny how things get better and move more efficiently and faster when you remove the influence of government. He goes on and he says this department is organized to accomplish those things. That is the way that we push out resources and it's what drives our conversations with community members, policymakers and educators. It is a comprehensive set of reforms we put in place and it's really encouraging.
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Unknown A
She's gonna stop reading. She's going to stop reading after movement.
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Unknown B
To see movement right now. We also have a line she didn't okay between our governor's office, our legislator, our state board and our agency and that united front helps with implementation in schools. I also think we execute really well. I've had conversations with individuals in other states that have attempted similar reforms, but the execution wasn't what it needed to be. Okay, intentional about both the initial launch of policies but also support afterwards and then continuing on. He said many schools and systems and educators across the country have chased shiny things and sometimes even ideologies that aren't necessarily relevant to simply teaching kids to read and do math at a time when funding is becoming less plentiful. Which is odd because again, 238 billion dollar budget. That really shouldn't be the case.
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Unknown A
States need to look, most of that money doesn't go to K through 12 and you want to reduce that funding anyway.
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Unknown B
Academic returns on investment. It's a really good time to focus on schooling, particularly in elementary schools. I mean, seriously, it is.
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Unknown A
None of this has anything to do with the topic of this video. This is nothing to do with the subject of the video.
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Unknown B
Look at academic returns on investment. It's a really good time to many.
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Unknown A
Schools and systems and educators across the country have chased shiny things and sometimes even ideologies. That isn't. That's talking about other school systems and other systems and other educators. This isn't saying the federal government is forcing us. I wonder if she even scripts these videos or if somebody just does it for her.
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Unknown B
Focus on schooling, particularly in elementary schools. I mean, seriously, it is comical that this Is something that a superintendent has to say that really it's a good time to focus on schooling. Shouldn't that have been the focus of the federal government, of the Department of Education?
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Unknown A
None of that had to do with the federal government. This is. Yeah, these. The script is either. It's either chatgpt or she. Or she has a writer. Maybe. But would a writer be this bad? I think, I wonder if it's all.
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Unknown B
Just AI last 40 odd years. No, no, because they focus on ideologies. They focus on giving power to administrators and these teachers unions instead of actually helping the kids. And what makes me even worse, none.
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Unknown A
Of the things that you cited, none of those sources had anything to do with too much money going towards administrators or whatever. Like none of it had anything to do with any of that.
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Unknown B
Cited about states like Louisiana and Mississippi, Alabama was not far behind them, is that these are the states that get mocked and shamed. These are the low income, because these.
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Unknown A
Are like the bottom ranking education states.
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Unknown B
Words, conservative states that the left and the teachers unions love to mock and demonize. They're the ones who are the laughing stock of America. But obviously they're doing something right. All the coastal cities that boast about their education system, sorry, you can't keep up with Louisiana and Mississippi because as the superintendent said, they're focusing on schooling. And back to that point about local school boards and parents being able to make change, as you're seeing in Louisiana and Mississippi. I have always said that the only way I would run for public office because truly that seemed like the worst thing on earth. I would rather drag myself across hot coals than do that. The only way I would do that was if it was for a school board, because real change happens there again, even without the federal government. And you do not need to be a parent or an educator.
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Unknown A
It's already happening. The federal government doesn't seem to be blocking it at all. You just want to make them get less money. Like what?
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Unknown B
To be on the board. I mean, some of the most effective change makers recently have been young people, some as young as 18 years old, who are hungry and motivated and have just recently left the school system. So they intimately know the problems, they intimately know solutions that can help students, that can get this system back on track. So to sum all of this up, hopefully Trump is able to make this happen. I hope that he is able to dismantle and restructure American education, maybe even abolishing the Department of Education in its entirety. I would love for that to happen. I would love to see the glee on Thomas Massey's face if he is finally able to pass this one sentence bill. And it certainly will make things better and easier coming from the federal level. It will eliminate a lot of financial bloat. It will eliminate a lot of corruption, which is obviously a good thing and we should all be what does this.
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Unknown A
Have to do with state education? Like all of your sources in here disagreed with you. The Miami example Students are already doing this. Parents are already doing this. You're already giving examples of local systems.
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Unknown B
That like whether you were on the left or the right. But per usual, what I want you to remember is the change always starts with you at home. So if there's something that you do not like about your school system, if there's something that you do not like about your child's education, the power is in your hands. And if you are a student, there is so much that you can do. And I urge you to look into Ryan's work with the 1776 project pack and with all of this combined, after 40 plus years, we will finally, hopefully be focusing on improving American education. Because truly, that is the end goal.
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Unknown A
Never again. Oh my God, what a lazy video. It's gotta be chatgpt scripted. That'd be my guess. It feels like it. Like it's just like finding stuff that has like some of the same words and then Recently, Doge has bragged about terminating 89 contracts worth a collective $881 million at the Institute for Education Sciences at the U.S. department of Education. Pennywise. But pound foolish, they've unwittingly canceled some of the best education research out there, along with major national surveys and tests that are crucial to tracking America's educational performance. This is two days ago. Their claim is also highly misleading, as success below, many if not all the contracts they terminated were already well underway, and much of the $881 million must have already been paid out and spent. The Department of Education's own Twitter account has attempted to explain Setting the record straight about IES and its contracts.
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Unknown A
IES was founded in 2002 to fund development and rigorous testing of new approaches for improving education outcomes for all students. $14 billion and countless contracts later, our students are no better off. Lowest decile students perform worse in math now than at IES's inception. There's been no meaningful increase in average Math scores from IES's inception to pre pandemic. Oh, are these just quintiles of student math scores? I guess. Instead of improving outcomes for students, here's where taxpayer dollars were going $4.6 million contract to coordinate Zoom and in person meetings $3 million contract to write a report that showed that prior reports were not utilized by schools. These are the only examples of supposed waste thus far, but reporter Matt Berg has the full list of canceled projects here. So far I haven't been able to find the actual contracts on ZOOM and in person meetings or mailing and clerical operations, but maybe it'll turn up someday.
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Unknown A
Weren't we supposed to have something by Valentine's Day? What am I thinking of? Was it Doge that said they would have a list of all the accounting? Or was the Trump say something that he'd solve a war or something? Or was it Elon Musk's transparency? Oh yeah. Also, what about the hostages? Are those all freed now too? Or doge.govsavings receipts coming over the weekend now? Oh, we're getting an Elon Musk timeline as someone whose actual PhD is in education policy and who has been following these issues for about two decades, I'll say much of what Doge cancelled here is not waste or abuse under any conceivable definition of the term. Indeed, DOGE has cancelled many high quality research projects that had already been underway for years, which is far more wasteful than letting them finish Take a step back. What is the Institute for Education Sciences, or ies?
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Unknown A
It was created by the Education Sciences Reform act of 2002, a major project of George W. Bush. IES is specifically mandated by Congress, so it is not something that a presidential administration could lawfully abolish. The official mission is to sponsor major national research projects and surveys that track the condition of progress of educational. ICE includes various submits or subunits, including the national center for Education Statistics. IES has been controversial for or in the education community for the past two decades or so, ironically, because of its relentless focus on high quality randomized trials to test everything from curriculum to teacher training programs to dropout prevention programs. As we've seen before, the education community can be surprisingly resistant to randomized trials. You can see this resistance in a 2022 report from national academics. With that as background, what did Doge cancel the other day? There isn't time or space to review everything, but here are a few representative examples as I go through the list to try and find more information online.
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Unknown A
First example here's an impact evaluation of reading programs in early elementary school. Some screenshots in case the webpage is deleted. Background With a third of US students failing to develop foundational reading skills by fourth grade, calls have been grown to renew the focus on this critical learning and to use scientifically based teaching methods. Many elementary schools are seeking to adopt a more strategic approach to improve the quality of reading instruction and the way struggling students are identified and provided with extra help. These efforts, often under the umbrella term multi tiered systems support for reading, rely on outside training and technical Gotcha, gotcha. In other words, this is a large scale randomized trial across 140 schools nationwide in order to determine how best to help struggling students in early grades learn to read. Is the contract too expensive? Who knows? Maybe so. I've reviewed contracts grants exactly like this when I was in philanthropy, and in one case we actually made a $20 million grant to the research firm MDRC to do some major studies on preschool research.
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Unknown A
Firms can sometimes pad the bill by adding a ton of survey work that isn't 100% necessary. But that's besides the point because it's guaranteed that no one dug into the exact details and activities enough to know if that's what's happening. And if there's anything we should be doing in education research, it's funding large randomized trials on how to more effectively teach kids to read. In short, here we have a research project that was already underway for the past several years. Even if the budget was somewhat padded, it is much more wasteful to pull the plug halfway than to let the project finish. If the project finished up, it would deliver some useful findings. Pulling the plug now means that all the millions spent to date are wasted. A second example, there's a contract to abt another research firm to evaluate the D.C. opportunity Scholarship Program.
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Unknown A
That is the voucher program that has operated in Washington D.C. for over a decade. Now here's their page, which correctly notes that Congress itself mandated this exact research. This is valuable education research on a long running voucher program. And it was mandated by Congress. Mandated by Congress, no less. And we're canceling it. Why? Okay, so these are just examples of. Yeah.