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  • Unknown A
    All right, let's start with President Donald Trump, who decided that he was going to clear things up for federal workers. Because there's been a very confusing situation where Elon Musk emailed everybody in the government and said, you know, reply to your boss and CC OMB and tell us the five things that you accomplished last week very quickly. The FBI, the CIA, you know, dni, the Pentagon, lots of places that have national security implications. We're like, maybe it's not such a great idea to put all the information about what you did the last week into a public, you know, basically a publicly available email.
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  • Unknown B
    I tapped Ryan Grimm's phone, which will.
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  • Unknown A
    Then be uploaded into some deeply insecure AI to have it analyzed. And Elon Musk's response was, hey. I said, don't send classified information. And they're like, okay, thanks. That still doesn't help. We still don't want all of our employees responding and telling Chairman Xi and Deep Seek exactly what they did the last week. So then Elon Musk said, all right, well, screw you. I'm gonna ask again next week. And anybody who doesn't do it next week, they're going to be fired, despite what the Secretary of Defense or anybody else might say. So thankfully, there is somebody in charge. Donald Trump decided to clear it up for everybody. Here's the man himself. Can you clarify hopefully once and for all, what your expectations are with this email to federal employees? What are you gonna use for. And do you see it as voluntary, like OPM has said, or mandatory?
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  • Unknown C
    Yeah, well, it's somewhat voluntary, but it's also, if you don't answer, I guess you get fired. What it really is, is. What it is is, do people exist? We have this massive government with millions of people, and nobody knows who's working for the government, who's not. So what they're doing is they're sending out a letter to everybody and they're saying, what were the things you did last week? I guess they ask for five. And if people are working, it's easy. I could tell you five things I did last. I could tell you five things I did six weeks ago.
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  • Unknown A
    Right. Well, that's what I call government efficiency right there. Right.
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  • Unknown B
    Somewhat voluntary, but if you don't do it, you get fired. So it is somewhat voluntary.
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  • Unknown A
    Okay, so the Secretary of Defense or the Director of National Intelligence tells you, do not do this thing. The President tells you it's somewhat voluntary, but if you don't do it, you're fired, I guess.
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  • Unknown B
    Isn't that what he said? He Was like, I guess.
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  • Unknown A
    So do you do it?
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  • Unknown B
    I think you do it. It doesn't hurt to do it.
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  • Unknown A
    Well, except it hurts national security.
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  • Unknown B
    Well, if you. But you'd, like, do it, but just be like, hey, to be clear, this is not actually what I did. No, there's no way to know. There's no right answer here. There's no right answer here. I mean, I think you obviously follow the directions of the department head, and.
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  • Unknown A
    Some managers have instructed their employees to say, here's. Here's the five things you should say. Like, number one, I fulfilled the responsibilities as listed in my job duties. Number two, yeah, I coordinated with my manager on my duties and completed those, which is amazing that you create all of this wasted time for workers and managers to do this.
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  • Unknown B
    And Elon Musk of efficiency. There actually have been sort of competing things from Elon Musk, too, who on the one hand is saying that this is just a, quote, pulse check, like, he's repeatedly said, this is just to make sure that you're not dead. Right? Like, you're not a fake person. We're cutting down on waste, fraud and abuse by just getting these responses back. But on the other hand, he's saying, like, and we've seen it from the White House too, on the messaging is that, like, we don't think people are doing serious work. So are you supposed to take it as just a pulse check or are you supposed to take it as an actual inquiry about the substance of your work? It's genuinely, like, pretty. There are thousands of people who have faced this conundrum over the course of the past week. Some of them are very important jobs, others of them probably in less important jobs.
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  • Unknown B
    But we, if we put B2 up on the screen here, this scoop from NBC News, that 21 Doge staffers have resigned over a refusal to, quote, jeopardize American sensitive data, according to a letter that NBC News got. Ryan, did you read this report? It's pretty. It's free. I don't know. I think all of this doesn't portend well for the future of Doge, to be honest.
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  • Unknown A
    So in defense of Doge, these are doggy. In defense of doggy, these are people who were already in the doghouse when the dog pound boss showed up. Because this was the US what was it called? The Digital Services office. Yes, Office of Digital Services. And they just repurposed it as doggy. And so these folks are. These are former Google, lots of Silicon Valley tech people who decided they wanted to come work in the government and Help the government become more efficient. That's why they went, you know, that's why they took this agency and converted it into Doge. And so these are not die hard Elon Musk fans.
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  • Unknown B
    Yes.
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  • Unknown A
    Or these are not MAGA types.
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  • Unknown B
    So I mean, it's arguably the deep state that he's targeting.
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  • Unknown A
    Except, yeah, it's a fairly new deep state. But so to me it's almost surprising that they lasted this long. So I don't think it's that damaging necessarily to Doggy because I think they can find some pups that'll come in and do their dirty work. Like there are, there are, there's more than one big balls in, out in Silicon Valley that they can, you know, there's no shortage of 19 year olds on 4chan that Musk can, you know, recruit to come and do this work.
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  • Unknown B
    The response from Elon Musk was, quote, these were Dem political holdovers who refused to return to the office. They would have been fired had they not resigned.
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  • Unknown A
    I mean, that Katie Miller. Probably true. Yeah.
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  • Unknown B
    Katie Miller said, quote, these were full remote workers who hung trans flags from their workplaces. That's the Katie Miller response to this again.
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  • Unknown A
    What grade are we in here?
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  • Unknown B
    Probably true.
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  • Unknown A
    Yeah, might be true.
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  • Unknown B
    So anyway, they also named the Doge administrator yesterday, like I think it was the Washington examiner finally got their hands on the name of the person who. Obama. Yes, Obama. Person who seemed to have been on vacation, who was formerly part of the usds. And this is interesting because Elon Musk was seen as the head of Doge. And then the White House confirmed last week that Elon Musk was not even part of Doge formally, but was employed by the White House and sort of oversaw Doge in his capacity as a White House official, as a special, quote, special government employee. So anyway, I guess I shouldn't have said that this doesn't portend well for the future of Doge, but it does. Just there's, there's an air of chaos around Doge that doesn't bother the people involved in it at all. I mean, I think a lot of this was always intentionally, understandably going to involve chaos.
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  • Unknown B
    Everyone sort of knew that. But there's chaos and then there's chaos that's inefficient, ironically. And in this case, I do think there's just, I mean the, like the email one is a really good example. There's chaos to the point of creating inefficiencies to the end of efficiency. Like in the process of creating efficiency. It's just been A very, like, it was always going to be messy, but they're creating more work unnecessarily for themselves.
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  • Unknown A
    Yeah, it's a, it's weird. Like, why are they doing this? Why are they doing this weekly email thing? Like, I've seen a lot of people be like, well, there's nothing wrong with like a worker telling their boss what they did the last week. It's like, bro, you don't think that they were already doing that? I guess if you have bottom barrel levels of hostility towards all federal workers and you think that managers aren't managing their workers and workers aren't actually doing any work, then you need to come in and tell them to do this. But if you checked in, you'd see like, this is a bureaucracy. This is a giant bureaucracy. The one thing that bureaucracies definitely do is this kind of stuff. What did you do? Like, what'd you get done last week? Who did you check in with? What meetings did you do?
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  • Unknown B
    It's half the work. It's just having meetings about meetings.
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  • Unknown A
    Yeah, that's half of what. And it is the criticism of a bureaucracy.
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  • Unknown B
    They spend too much time keeping track of that stuff.
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  • Unknown A
    Right. And so now Musk is going to come in with another TPS report that they have to complete that is supposed to be in the name of efficiency. It's like, so it's so dumb. It raises the question, okay, what are they really doing? What's really going on here? And is it, are they actually trying to create chaos under the old argument that Democrats would always make about Republicans, that they don't like government? And so then when they get in power, they make it not work. And then they point to the fact that it doesn't work under them as reason that you should get rid of the government. Is it really just as simple as that old thing just now dressed up as a sleek cybertruck?
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  • Unknown B
    As a sleek cybertruck. Wow, that was beautiful. Very poetic. Yeah, that was a very poetic touch.
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  • Unknown A
    I mean, putting this stuff out for free.
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  • Unknown B
    Yes. Well, not if you want a commercial free.
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  • Unknown A
    If you want a commercial free, go.
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  • Unknown B
    To breakingpoints.com so Ro Khanna posted a video of a fired VA worker that just in this bigger conversation about inefficiencies, I mean, the email point, I think some of this obviously is intentional. I mean, the Russ vote playbook was explicitly before the election to cause trauma for bureaucrats. And so, I mean, I think that's, that's obviously the playbook and part of this. But again, there's efficiency. There's inefficiencies that are sort of inevitable when you're creating chaos. And then there's inefficiencies that are hurting your effort to battle inefficiencies. So let's take a look at this video that Ro Khanna posted of some people who have been affected by various cuts. We can roll this.
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  • Unknown A
    I'm a veteran. I deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan. Anybody who asked me, you know, I would have told them I was voting for Trump. But at this point, I mean, obviously, I never would have expected things to go this far. This was really a job that meant a lot to. It was a way for me to help veterans that are struggling. I served this country.
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  • Unknown B
    But now, under Trump's executive orders, I'm being discarded like I don't matter.
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  • Unknown D
    I don't think anybody's opposed to the idea of government efficiency and really getting rid of wasteful practices, but doing it in such a chaotic manner that leads to people getting fired by the tens of thousands.
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  • Unknown B
    This was my dream job, and it's just being taken away by an administration who doesn't care about science. It doesn't care about people who might be homeless.
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  • Unknown A
    I literally sank in my chair. I had no idea that without due.
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  • Unknown B
    Process, that I could just be terminated.
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  • Unknown A
    Out of the blue.
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  • Unknown B
    I was a highly performing individual. I would just ask President Trump and.
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  • Unknown A
    Anybody else that might be in charge to reconsider your decision. The United States of America is not a social media or tech company, and it should not be run like one. Mr. President, many of these people voted for you. I don't regret voting for President Trump.
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  • Unknown B
    But the actual policies being pursued just don't comport at all with the actual goals of the administration.
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  • Unknown A
    We want them reinstated. It's an absolute travesty that the president the other day said that Elon Musk was a patriot. When we see how many veterans we have on the line that are being absolutely devastated by this, this has been.
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  • Unknown B
    Devastating for our family. We have a mortgage. We have to pay for preschool.
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  • Unknown D
    Mine happened on February 15, but the day before what many reporters are calling the Valentine's Day Massacre, my computer went black and I was unable to sign back into my computer.
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  • Unknown A
    You know, I was the source of our family's health care. It's put us in a pretty strenuous position right now.
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  • Unknown D
    People getting fired and then bringing back because they were fired without realizing how crucial their work is. It really leads to mistrust from the general public and steers people away from a career of public service.
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  • Unknown B
    I was anticipating having, you know, 12.
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  • Unknown A
    Weeks of paternity leave through my work with the USDA.
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  • Unknown B
    I mean, Raine we talked about for months before doggy actually went into effect. Doge actually went into effect that there were going to be all kinds of tear jerking images of fired federal workers, whether they're on the streets with their ferns and boxes or talking in these videos that Democrats put out that make the process complicate the politics of the process for Republicans. Now, a Harvard Harris poll this week found pretty widespread support for Doge.
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  • Unknown A
    I think to the worst pollster in America we should underscore completely.
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  • Unknown B
    Although to be fair. Because it's Mark Penn's. Yeah, to be fair, other polls have found similar results.
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  • Unknown A
    Yeah. If you ask, should you cut federal spending? And like.
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  • Unknown B
    Yeah, well, and the reason I bring that up is because to the extent Republicans are able to say this is just about waste, fraud and abuse and they keep saying waste, fraud and abuse, waste, fraud and abuse, then they can, they can politically sort of win the battle and overcome the obstacles of having all of these tear jerking stories circulated through media and by Democrats. But those stories, the more powerful they are and the more sympathetic they are, they create a much higher hurdle to overcome for Republicans to make the case that this is just about waste, fraud and abuse.
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  • Unknown A
    Right. And if they did all this and they made the government more efficient and they like cut taxes for people, then you probably would have a decent chunk of the American public would be like, I'm sorry that this had to happen to these hardworking people, but you know, we have to live within our means, blah, blah, blah, blah. They're not going to do that. Like I think they're going to make the government much less efficient and they're going to anger a lot of people in how they do it and they're going to basically go on a round of grifting. So one of the workers in there was from the va. The DOGE lead who is handling the VA is Justin Fulcher. So much is going on that has barely gotten any attention. He's the co founder of Ring md, which is a telehealth company. I'm trying to think of what would be a more direct conflict of interest than sending a telehealth tech guy into the VA to slash and destroy it.
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  • Unknown A
    So we're going to make sure all these veterans get much worse care. Oh, and guess what? I have a telehealth company here that is willing to step into the breach. Sorry that we shut down these different community facilities. I'm sorry, we've extended wait times and now you can't get in to see an actual doctor for six months. But guess what? I have a zoom for you for the low, low price of whatever he charges the va. Well, don't you worry about it. We're just going to. We're just going to have the VA write a check directly to us and we're going to walk away with enormous amounts of money.
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  • Unknown B
    Yeah. I mean and some of this has actually been cuts. There have actually been proposed cuts to telehealth coverage too. Like it's all very across the. It's all over the place. What's actually what the actual strategy is. And again like they would say that's completely necessary. I actually agree to some extent that there are going to be conflicting cut because they're trying to do this like sweeping quote revolution according to Elon Musk. And there is a lot that can be cut. I saw an interesting post from someone at the Manhattan Institute who said imagine if Mitch Daniels were in charge of dosh. Like you had this very. It's an Interesting catch 22 because on the one hand you don't have the, I guess cultural capital and just like crazy will to do a lot of the stuff that Elon Musk, Mitch Daniels, remember the governor, the very mild mannered Tea Party era governor of Indiana.
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  • Unknown B
    Yeah. Who was all about it. Sort of like a Cockburn type, a Tom Coburn type who's all about it. Someone who would, you know, like the Rand Paul annual Festivus list, like these. This is, you know, the bread and butter of somebody like Mitch Daniels. And it's kind of a fascinating hypothetical to think about or just like a. To think about what it would look like without Elon Musk, like Doge without Elon Musk. Because on the one hand you don't have the insane energy, but on the other hand you don't have the insane energy. Could you even have Doge without Elon Musk? I don't know. But without Elon Musk it probably would be. There would be streamlining. I would imagine there would be like more consistency.
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  • Unknown A
    But last point on efficiency because we're not being a very efficient moving through this block.
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  • Unknown B
    We don't claim to be the department of.
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  • Unknown A
    That's right. Media efficiency though because of civil service protections, Musk had to go after people who were on probation. It's been widely reported that that means that they were hired within the last one, two or three years. But it also includes people who were recently promoted from one G at from one level to another. In that brief period during the promotion, you are back on a probationary period, even if you've been there for 15 years. So think about what that means. All of the people that he fired without checking with their managers about how valuable they were, without even looking to see whether or not they protected nuclear secrets, were, you know, trying to prevent an outbreak of bird flu, any of any of these things. What they also did systematically is fired everybody who was, you know, came into the government within the last couple of years, which means somebody over the last couple of years decided that this is a position that they needed filled.
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  • Unknown A
    These are very hard jobs to get. Like, there is a. It's a ridiculous ticket that. That you have to go through, and that would be a good place to cut, usually, and just, you know, so you can actually hire faster. It can take, like, two years to get one of these jobs. It's incredible because they're trying so hard to root out corruption.
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  • Unknown B
    Yeah.
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  • Unknown A
    And they think they've gone too far in the. In an inefficient direction because corruption and efficiency and transparency and inefficiency kind of go together in an uncomfortable way that we don't like to talk about. So new people, but then also people who got promoted. So who did you not fire? Like, people who've been in the same job for, like, 12 years when some.
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  • Unknown B
    People have been rehired because they realized.
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  • Unknown A
    Like, oh, wait, we do have to actually do something about bird flu. Right.
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  • Unknown B
    So again, inefficient. Inefficient. Now that to people like my friends on the right would look at, be like, okay, so you are now like, this is a just cause, and you are now whining about the process. And I actually completely understand that, but I still. My counter argument to that would be we don't know how this all plays out. Like, there's still a long way to go.
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  • Unknown A
    Right. They'd say, you got to break some eggs to make an omelette. And I'm cool. Where's the omelette?
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  • Unknown B
    Waiting for the omelet. All right, so let's pivot to this news that Kyle Cheney posted in before about judges. Judges, judges, judges. This is the fight for the next couple of weeks. Obviously, a lot of this has gotten tied up in the courts, but it just took an interesting turn. So Kyle Cheney says a federal judge gave the Trump administration about 36 hours to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars for work performed by foreign aid contractors and is demanding details about potential defiance of his orders. Speaking of defiance of the Judge's order. Elon Musk posted this yesterday. This is from this is B5. If any judge anywhere can block every presidential order everywhere, we do not have democracy, we have tyranny of the judiciary. Now Elon Musk also I want to point out, weighed in on something that Nayib Bukele posted where he said if you don't impeach the corrupt judges you cannot fix the country.
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  • Unknown B
    They will form a cartel, a judicial dictatorship and block all refor protecting the systemic corruption that put them in their seats. And Musk essentially posted an agreement with that point from Bukele. Did you see Musk post on this Ryan? No, he reposted the Bukele thing in agreement and that to me is offensive to be honest. Cuz Bukele is making a very direct comparison between the judicial system in the United States and the judicial system in El Salvador. That's insane.
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  • Unknown A
    That is pretty insane.
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  • Unknown B
    I don't think our system is perfect and I do think there's some serious questions about separation of powers. But that's insane.
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  • Unknown A
    That is insane. Now of course it is true that throughout our 200 plus years of being a republic, not a democracy as the right loves to tell a lot, but.
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  • Unknown B
    Actually it's not a democracy. Ryan.
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  • Unknown A
    There has been a push and pull tug of war between the executive, the legislative and the judicial branch. And you would see people like me who are angry about supreme court decisions, or FDR for instance in the 1930s who were angry about Supreme Court decisions hemming in the will of the people. During the New Deal he threatened to expand the size of the court through a legislative action and as a result the Supreme Court backed down and started allowing New Deal policies to go through. Hey, this is kind of how it goes. These are different power centers. These are the checks and balances that are built right into the system. For Elon Musk to be surprised that a check exists in a system, I was going to say suggests that he didn't go through elementary school in the United States, but he did not go through elementary school in the United States.
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  • Unknown A
    So he should go back and check out some of these How a bill becomes a law and the checks and balances and like all the things, well they're on the citizenship test though.
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  • Unknown B
    So here's what he posted.
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  • Unknown A
    He should have actually seen it then. Unless he sent some gamer in to take his citizenship test for him.
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  • Unknown B
    So Bukele posted, checks and balances don't truly exist unless the judicial branch can also be checked and balanced.
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  • Unknown A
    It could have stopped right there Checks and balances don't truly exist in El Salvador.
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  • Unknown B
    But he said checks and balances don't truly exist unless the judicial branch can also be checked and balanced. And Elon Musk responded, the only way to restore rule of the people in America is to impeach judges. No one is above the law, including judges. That is what it took to fix El Salvador. Same applies to America. And it is true that you have to be able to check the judiciary 100%. It's true that you have to be able to check to judiciary. Now, Elon Musk going full Bukele here and the Trump administration, I mean, there are reasons to have strategically close relationships, as Marco Rubio does with Bukele. But applying Bukele is into domestic politics is different than cozying up to Bukele on foreign policy. Even if we disagree with that relationship. Relationship doing it. Applying Bukeleism to domestic politics is like we just have a completely different country, completely different system.
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  • Unknown B
    And you can understand why people would say, well, maybe that's a slippery slope to just completely politicizing the judiciary branch. And I agree the judiciary branch has like problems with being already overly political. But it's not El Salvador.
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  • Unknown A
    It was a very surprising thing for him to suggest because you need 2/3 vote in both the House and Senate to impeach a judge. And clearly Republicans don't have a 2/3 vote. So why float something you know can't happen to shift the Overton window? Yeah. And so he knows that. I mean, I don't know if he knows this or not. Like in the first couple years of our republic. And people can look up the exact judge on this. There was a judge who was ruling against the Federalists, if I'm remembering the details right. And people were. Or. And the Federalists were mad about that. And they tried to impeach him. Him based on his decisions. They didn't say he was corrupt. Alcee Hastings, late Democratic congressman, I think he's late, was impeached as a federal judge, but for corruption. And then he was elected to Congress.
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  • Unknown A
    It was kind of funny. He's like, wait, didn't you get impeached and thrown out of office and then you won a congressional seat, whatever. Okay. But that was for corruption. The founders basically, in that first or second term or whatever it was of Congress rejected that resoundingly. And a lot of the Federalists or whoever it was that would have benefited politically from getting rid of that judge said no on principle. We do not want to set a precedent that a judge should be removed because we don't agree with their decision.
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  • Unknown B
    Yeah, well, I'm not panicked, I'm personally not panicked yet about this question because I think this is an intentional effort on behalf of the Trump administration to force judicial decisions about executive power and to and they've been very clear about this. Russ Bode has been very clear about this. They think executive power is atrophied and they want to force the question into the courts to get definitive answers on things like the Impoundment act, potentially to overturn acts of Congress that they think have unduly sapped power from the presidency. And some of that I actually disagree with. I think that creates a too powerful executive. But on the other hand, I do think it's a serious problem that you have, and we've talked about this before, sometimes at the epa, it doesn't happen as often to the left as it does to the right. But you have some bureaucrat who came through the revolving door and is making decisions that the president wouldn't be happy about to benefit the industry, to benefit oil and gas industry that they came from.
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  • Unknown B
    So there is a seriousthere's absolutely a serious question about how these executive branches, these executive branch agencies should be tethered politically to the goals of the president. On the other hand, there are things like the ftc, for example, or there are places where you have to have some level of distance and the judiciary is kind of the intermediary there. So some of this is just going to get kicked into the courts and it's going to feel kind of nerve wracking as it's happening because you don't know exactly how Trump and Musk will wield those powers. It's hard to trust how Musk in particular will suggest people in Doggy Doge wield those powers. But on the other hand, there are some serious things that do need to be resolved. And having, I guess, more direction one way or the other won't be the end of the world.
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  • Unknown B
    In fact, it could actually be a good thing in some places of the government.
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  • Unknown A
    And interestingly, we're seeing multiple power centers within the executive. So the judge that we just mentioned told the executive that they have to restart a lot of this foreign aid funding or face contempt charges. But we've also learned, I think it was in the Wall Street Journal that Rubio and Trump approved spending around feeding the hungry and AIDS funding, as he said he would. He said if you really are just doing poverty reduction stuff that isn't part of deep state cabal, then I am going to give you a waiver, and we're gonna move that money out. So they approved a bunch of that stuff. And then Doge people came into the back end. And this is what people have been panicked about with the Doge unchecked people and blocked it again.
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  • Unknown B
    Authorized by the Secretary of State.
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  • Unknown A
    Yeah, right. Money authorized by the Secretary of State to go back out. Appropriated by Congress. Authorized by the Secretary of State who was nominated and appointed by the President. Confirmed by the Senate. And then Big Balls comes in. Or not big. I don't want to slander Big Balls. If he didn't have anything to do with this. Some. Some Doge person goes in and just clicks a button and blocks it. And so the judge is saying, no, you've got to get this money moving. So who's in contempt at that point? Rubio's like, look, I'm trying to spend this money now. He's not trying to spend all of it. There's a bunch that Rubio doesn't want to spend that the judge is saying you have to spend, and that's usaid. And that's going to be very interesting. But what do you do if the kids are like, no, not going to do it.
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  • Unknown B
    Mm. No, really. Let's, before we leave this block, kick it over to Representative Nicole Malliott Hawkis of New York, who weighed in on Doge with some criticism.
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  • Unknown A
    Facing tough reelection. Right. One of few Republicans. This is a chief target of Democrats.
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  • Unknown B
    Yeah. She's in New York's 11th district, which is actually kind of one of the interesting places. I mean, she won pretty handily last time, but it's a. She's one of those places in New York where you can kind of find MAGA World an interesting. It plays without a surprise, I think, a lot of people in, like, D.C. beltway media. So let's turn it over to Representative Malia Takis. When I see what happened last week with the 911 health care program, that employees were fired and that grants were removed from the program, that disturbs me. And it just shows that they're acting too rash and that they need to slow it down a little bit. And obviously, you're going to start seeing more and more of this sort of dissent from Doge and Elon Musk and Trump may or may not understand that some people obviously have.
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  • Unknown B
    Have to stake out positions that put them at odds with Doge, or at least publicly stake out positions, even if their votes end up in Congress looking different, and even if their sort of criticism doesn't have a ton of teeth because they're a single representative in a swing district. So some of that you'll start, you'll start to see more and more cracks in the foundation as we have over the course of last week. People like, you know, expectedly Lisa Murkowski coming out against Doge. It doesn't mean that the Republican Party as a whole is having problems with Doge. That said, this stuff does make it harder for she's responding to political pressures that Doge will have to answer to, not just in swing districts, but all over the country. The debate over how astroturfed or not astroturfed, for example, what Rich McCormick got in a deep red district in Georgia, as we talked about last Friday with Crystal Ryan, that whether or not it's part of like it was organized by indivisible or some left leaning group isn't really the point.
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  • Unknown B
    The point is that that means they're able to suddenly organize a bunch of people to get people out to town halls because there is actually some like legitimate frustration in even red parts of the country.
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  • Unknown A
    Yeah. And she, so she represents Staten island and then Republican leaning portions of like outer Brooklyn.
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  • Unknown B
    Interesting areas, to quote Steve Bannon, a lot of MAGA on Medicaid. Hey, if you liked that video, don't forget to hit the like button and subscribe to Breaking Points.
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